Thursday, September 23, 2010

Atheists are officially off the hook?

Maybe Christians expect to much out of Atheists? After all an Atheist owes nothing to God. God does not ask the Atheist to suffer for Him. He doesn't call the Atheist to serve Him. The Atheist isn't expected to be separate from the ideologies of the world. These are only things that the Christian is expected to do.

The Church is here primarily to love and glorify God. Then we are to take care of each other inside the church as we evangelize to those who are outside the church. Once again the Atheist has no roll in this plan, so in my opinion they don't owe God anything.

When someone accepts Christ they are the ones who are responsible for their actions and motives to why they do things. Christians are the ones who will be judged by Christ for how they controlled their "old nature". Or how we spent our time and our money. How we treated others or used the talents God gave us.

I owe God my life, and am grateful. The Atheist doesn't believe God created any life yet alone their life. Yet many will say that if there is a God they didn't ask for life so they still don't owe God anything. When I hear statements like these; I'm wondering if they are trying to convince somebody they are right... or if they are pleading their case to God... just in case?

What, you wanted some sappy "I missed you and can't live without you" speech? Sorry you soft little bitches.

OK, I missed you guys a little

Late, feeno

14 comments:

  1. If someone doesn't want life... it's pretty easy to end it.

    Besides, I thought the deal was, "Believe in me and live forever," not "I made you. Bow down, bitches!"

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  2. I'm off the hook.

    Apparently, and I know this may sound strange, but according to some fundy Christian gal on YouTube there is no such thing as an ex-Christian.

    Who knew?

    You are either ALWAYS a Christian... and thus always SAVED... or else you were never a real Christian to begin with.

    Such advanced theology we're talking about here. :p

    So which was I? Well, I guess this wraps up my first official year as an atheist... so compared to my 30 years of evangelical awesomeness... I guess I'm one of those ALWAYS SAVED ATHEISTS.

    Intriguing... no?

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  3. I like your thinking on this, feeno. It reminds me of my own thinking, even as a Christian, when discussing issues like abortion or gay marriage. My reasoning was that if someone doesn't believe in God, they have no obligation to follow his commands. So I didn't see the point of trying to protest such legislation and come off looking like assholes in the process. I figured the better strategy was to evangelize and then let the new Christians know about how to properly live. Unfortunately, it seems I was in the minority when it came to my viewpoints.

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  4. That's not right, is it Feeno? God does ask atheists and everyone else to serve Him and suffer for Him. He punishes all the non-Christians after death for not doing it. As evangelicals and even Jack Chick regularly preach, not thinking it's necessary is no excuse.

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  5. I know it's been awhile, I appreciate you checkin' in.

    Geenks, yeah but if their is a hell people could claim they never asked to be born?

    TVick, There are several verses that allude to "once saved always saved" Romans 8:38, John 10:29, Hebrews 13:5, Matthew 28:20 and many others. Then there is Ephesians 4:30 which says "...and we are sealed unto the day of redemption". But there is also a verse which Jesus says "those that deny me before men, I will deny before my Father in heaven". I tend to lean toward "once saved always saved", but I really am not sure.

    Jeff, I've felt this way for decades. I mean if God gives us freewill who are we to take that right away from people? That's how I feel politically as well. I don't believe the church should try to legislate morality. They are only taught to discipline those inside the church who claim to be Christians. So if two gays want to get married, let them. I believe homosexuality is a sin whether it's legal or not. But that should be left up to the people involved in that lifestyle. However I'm bit of a hypocrite when it comes to the abortion issue. But not so much because it's a morality issue, but because someone needs to stand up for the rights of those who have no voice. So unfortunately there are many politicians who I like but would never vote for because of their stance on abortion. And as Ronald Reagan once said "I can't help but notice that everyone who is for abortion has already been born".

    Hope all is going well in your worlds, peace multiplied to you. feeno

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  6. LX

    We must have posted at the same time?

    I guess technically the Holy Spirit is drawing everyone to a relationship with Christ, but only Christians are called to service?

    Late, feeno

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  7. I guess technically the Holy Spirit is drawing everyone to a relationship with Christ, but only Christians are called to service?

    Real-world parallel: conscripting every single citizen into the Army, and then subjecting the millions of draft dodgers to the same court martial as the deserters. Not much practical difference as far as those two groups are concerned.

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  8. Yet many will say that if there is a God they didn't ask for life so they still don't owe God anything.

    This may well be the strawiest man EVER.

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  9. Yes, because they can't think up of another construct. NEXT!

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  10. Under moral law of JD a woman "born" into an abusive family through absolutely no choice of her own doing, who then gets raped would still personally TOTALLY deserve this punishment of her very existence upon this earth.

    And some would say maybe this woman should have simply known better not to wear certain type of clothes or something.And to try and suggest the claim that she didnt really ask to even be brought into this world to be abused ,would simply be a silly strawman type of argument too.

    Its so easy to see how thoughts of barbaric ancient folks who wrote the bible, has influenced ideas of some moral thinking that still exist among many cavemen type here today.Their moral thought ceased having any ability at all to continue to evolve,having been locked up hard heartedly like cold stone, within belief of the tattered pages of old books of faith

    JD would likely be the kind who maybe might even try to argue it was for good reason that at one time some folk also threw live babies into the flames of fire, in hope of receiving more fertility.Those folk who believed in divinely inspired moral though,very likely sure did, just as JD obviously still does.

    Should those who JD votes for get into power soon in government in the USA .You good folk can take or leave it but my advice is, folks really should all be ready to start investing some hard earned cash, in building some backyard nuclear bomb shelters.Sadly i do fear maybe your all doomed to forthcoming judgement, brought on by ancient backward thinking "locked up" within confines of moral type thought recorded in ancient books of faith.

    And as bombs start to fall JD will still be firmly standing there out in the open, bible in hand with "jesus loves me" playing loudly on CD, with hands gently waving back and forth in the air, while frantically faithfully jabbering ever onward in toungues,and still deep within his twisted mind suggesting definatly for sure! no doubt about it! it was actually all happening only because of old Adam and Eves ancient mistakes.And to even dare suggesting any differently was really only a strawman.

    "NEXT" !

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  11. Hey, Feeno. Haven't heard from you in a while. Hope all is well with you. (I should talk! My last post was September 30!)

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  12. Thanks Krusty and Geenks for checking me out. I've gotten outta practice. I'll try again now?

    late, feeno

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  13. Hello folks, what's up?
    Almost 18 here, working on colleges applications. ^^

    Ah, this reminded me of something I was told one day:
    "But why are you an atheist? If you are right, then I'll end up in the 'nothing' too. But if I'm right, you'll end up in hell and I in heaven."

    Pure logic and yet I always hated this argument.

    Now whether atheists owe something to God, I think that would be the least of my worries if I died and found out that He exists, don't you agree? If there were a God and I met him, I'd be more concerned on congratulating him for making such an amazing thing as this universe.

    But since I don't think He's out there, I'm left with only thinking the universe is truly amazing.

    Happy 2011 Feeno, hope you and your family are doing well.

    =)

    Pure logic and yet I always hated this argument.

    Now whether atheists owe something to God, I think that would be the least of my worries if I died and found out that He exists, don't you agree? If there were a God and I met him, I'd be more concerned on congratulating him for making such an amazing thing as this universe.

    But since I don't think He's out there, I'm left with only thinking the universe is truly amazing.

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