Saturday, August 28, 2010

No Gods for yor Tod's.

With all the gains atheism has made, do you guys think atheism is really accepted in society?

Last week I had to take a buddy of mine to court. It was an old matter but he had to see a Judge and yadda, yadda, yadda. But I got to see a bunch of poor saps pleading and begging the Judge to keep them out of Jail/Prison. A couple of these guys actually played the "going to church card". They'd tell the Judge how they were clean and sober and looking for work, and how "I'm also going to Church again".

That got me thinking about how when people would get pulled over by the Cops for speeding or something, they'd tell the officer, "I'm sorry Officer, I was on my way to church and didn't realize I was speeding blah, blah, blah.

Or my favorite, the used car salesman that would tell a prospect; "Oh yeah, this car has had only one owner. And it was a little old lady who just drove it to church on Sundays". (Like knowing a Christian owned it meant it was really taken care of)

Will we ever see the day when a used car salesman tells somebody; "Oh yeah, this car has had only one owner, and it was an Atheist that only drove it to a Star Trek convention once a year. Or someone actually having enough balls to tell the Judge; "Your Honor, I'm clean and sober and doing great. I joined an atheist book club and everything.

When you guys can open a day-care business and the sign out front reads "Atheist owned and operated" and still manage to stay in business, then I think you've finally made it.

Good luck Mr. Phelps. feeno

18 comments:

  1. When you guys can open a day-care business and the sign out front reads "Atheist owned and operated" and still manage to stay in business, then I think you've finally made it.

    Feeno, I strangely have a very passive aggressive reaction to this statement. Part of me gets happy at the thought of having such an institution. I would pay LOTS to send my kid there. Alternately, I am also repelled at the thought that this would even be a point to sell. I would love to see the day when all places were secular, and religion is outside of that realm.

    People use church as a tool- they think that it impresses people and engenders unconditional respect in them. However, there are people out there like me... I do not consider that a selling point.

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  2. Yeah i agree Tink.

    Id prefer humans got to the stage where the car salesman said.Hey this truck here only had one careful owner.It was that Guy named Feeno .You know the guy who always slows down when in a hurry to get to work, and traveling behind some funny old angry geeser who wants to give him the finger for trying to pass.

    Personally im not really keen on atheism becoming any selling point or like it another belief system.Id even be happy if people retained some better aspects of faith.Thats the truth.

    But what seems harmful is that so many still promote these faiths as being totally true and unharmful.And nobody does anything new to help stop kids still being born-into the grasp of these many abusive faith-groups.

    I understand kids are born to abusive parents sometimes, i dont deny it .And that to me is even tough enough and something that we humans need to try and remedy as much as possible.

    But what i find hard to even start to understand at all is its now the year 2010 ,and yet abusive faith-groups still allowed to exist that are then able and obviously allowed to!, abuse children born-into their grasp.

    Children do not have rights to leave these places, and neither should they really have any need to be leaving their parents.And by the time they can actually leave these places, its often already to far late, by then they have most often also become indoctrinated themselves .And so this faith group-abuse just gets recycled and perpetrated all over again time after time.

    I think if society really wants to allow this shit to continue like it does .Then they should also be a little kind and also bring in laws that allow children in these groups the "rights" to choose euthanasia.We could be kind and give them euthanasia injections that put them to sleep ,like we do animals ...If right of "freedom to faith" really means so much more to us.

    Its a sad thing when countries can be seen to get so very up in arms! and ready for action double quick! when ever terrorists blow people lives apart which is most usually over pretty quick.

    Yet the same folk get lax calm and seem so uncaring and dont even seem to give much thought, to some people that still have their whole-lives blown apart and ruined by contious ongoing religious torture.Within the very same country the lax people reside in.

    I just fail to even begin to understand it now its the year 2010

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  3. Shit some religious terrorists still freely doing every day in your own country Feen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50r0CnKq7_k&feature=fvst

    If i know anything about what this girl likely goes through some days,and will do for a long time yet .I bet some day she just wish the New York Twin Towers simply fell on her, and just got the suffering over and done with.

    Islamic terrorists kill people in the U.S.A .

    Faith terrorists still have a free licence to torture and kill peoples spirit slowly

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  4. Tink,

    I wasn't really trying to sell anything, just making an observation.

    With all the bad "press" the church gets it certainly doesn't stop people from dropping their kids off at a church or taking their kids to christian daycare's. Around here most daycare's and pre-schools are part of a church.

    People who are going to church for "respect" aren't impressing Jesus either. So you guys have that in common.

    G$

    What are the better aspects of faith?

    There are also many Christian organizations that minister to those people who have abused by religion and cults.

    late, feeno

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  5. Feeno, I think you've definitely hit on an interesting point in Western society. I was always a little puzzled when my family or friends would frequent a certain business or whatever because the owner was Christian. I mean, I could understand if it was a car salesman, where the idea is that he would be more honest with you (whether that's true or not...), but regular businesses? It always seemed odd that the owner's religion was some sort of selling point, like somehow it would make them a better business-person or something.

    But I agree with Tink as well on this one - I'd rather see it get to the point where religion just isn't a big deal at all. I don't need atheist daycares, I need good daycares. And I hope that we can get to the point where saying one goes to church doesn't make people automatically assume that one is more moral or is less culpable for a guilty act. Because that's just silly.

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  6. Feen said.."G$

    What are the better aspects of faith?

    There are also many Christian organizations that minister to those people who have abused by religion and cults.

    late, feeno "

    Christian organizations minister to terrorist survivors too .

    So what is your argument here .You want to forget about stopping the terrorists, and instead just bump up the ammount of all these "other" Christian organizations that are avialable to minister to them?.

    Or do you care about stopping Islam terrorists who use bombs , but faith terrorist bombers is just fine and dandy.Because of your other Christians who minister to those who have their lives blown apart?.

    I rather be dealt to by the Islamist bomber Feen.Its quick.Pain doesnt last.

    I find it sad that i even need discuss this stuff.But still i know faith means so much to people , its all the charisma and devotion,their faith make them grow to not care much if it hurts some folks.It become thought like it only some collateral damage.Their mind think of all the ways they can think of to sanction the problems.My cult family is just the same.And so happens long ago, my cult family evolved from a church much like yours Feen.Go figure!

    Hey liberal churches they dont hurt anyone.Thats why they so happy to "accommodate" faith terrorism.And tell people hey faith terrorism ok,we got liberal churches that minister to these people "after" their lives been bombed apart....See it all cool ! ..no worries!

    But i still love em .It just gets a little tough forever turning the other cheek sometimes.

    Feen say.."What are the better aspects of faith?"

    They are choca full of "well meaning" people Feen, i know this.Even if some of their present ideas and attitudes are still a little strange unthoughtful and deluded.But with some big changes things could become very different.

    Its a sad thing though that this blatant complacency leads to a need for angry new atheist to even evolve ,but there is always a price humans must need pay for such complacency.Sad though that the "charisma" of "devotional" faith has these devoted complacent faithful folks still thinking maybe its only about some old ancient prophesys.It works to seal their fate! in ignorance, and will ultimately very likely help bring about the total demise of faith in the end, as new athiest grow and more and more people become totally disgusted ! in folks who it seems mostly only know best how to dig their heals in.

    Peace

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  7. A couple of these guys actually played the "going to church card". They'd tell the Judge how they were clean and sober and looking for work, and how "I'm also going to Church again".

    It's just funny that whenever some douche is convicted of serially killing children, the neighbors are always freaked out on the news saying stuff like "Oh he was my neighbor for 25 years, I never suspected anything, he even went to Church every Sunday and was part of the choir. He seemed like a good man. Definitely had no idea he had fourteen skeletons buried under his garden gnome"

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  8. Jeff say..."And I hope that we can get to the point where saying one goes to church doesn't make people automatically assume that one is more moral or is less culpable for a guilty act. Because that's just silly."

    Amen ... aint it becoming so blatantly obviously true

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  9. Feen say..."With all the bad "press" the church gets it certainly doesn't stop people from dropping their kids off at a church or taking their kids to christian daycare's. Around here most daycare's and pre-schools are part of a church."

    If things changed .

    Even i would be around at those churches offering to mow their lawn "every week" , or climb a ladder to fix their leaky roof etc .And i would be quite happy to sell raffle tickets to help raise more funds ontop of my own donations.

    But they dont "honestly" care ...Their devotion on to much charisma , make them focus on all the bliss! of their dream of salvation, and continue to turn a blind eye! to the "faith" terrorism still happening in all their very own countries.

    So i dont bother.For if i go there i likely only end up very long time in jail !.

    Unstead i let them know how disgusted i am in them .When them JWs visit my house i remind them why its best for them they never ever return while this faith terrorism still exists.

    And them groups of JWs they sure do listen to that.Because i do make it very very clear.And so they now purposely tell their door knockers ,my place is out of bounds and quite possibly dangerous for faith health.

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  10. "And them groups of JWs they sure do listen to that"

    Last visit a year or two back .They reminded me of group of scurrying penguins

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  11. My neighbours told me they dont mind either.They miss our whole street out now.

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  12. I feel being an atheist has seriously hurt my chances of becoming Pope.

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  13. Too bad, Pope John Paul Geenks the 1st has a nice ring to it?

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  14. With all the bad "press" the church gets it certainly doesn't stop people from dropping their kids off at a church or taking their kids to christian daycare's. Around here most daycare's and pre-schools are part of a church.

    Feeno- That is the United States. Here, any public institution that is getting money from the feds cannot have any religious affiliation. So, a daycare or school that is public cannot endorse any type of religion. I am sure that there are people who do that, but it is because they have chosen that, and they are paying for that. Just as there are Hebrew Schools, Muslim schools, etc. That is a small group of people.

    If I had a kid, I would not take it to any institution that was religious. No way, no how. If the kid wants to pursue an interest in God, they are free to do that on their own will when it is a capable and consenting adult. But, I would never expose an impressionable child to the rhetoric of religious people. NEVER.

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  15. I am going to teach my daughter the facts about all religions... as she asks. That way her education will be well informed, and instead of knowing about just one religion, like I did for most of my life, she'll start out knowing the full range of similarities and differences.

    I truly think that by being well informed, one can make a better informed decision, and more often than not this is the wiser choice.But what she lacks in basic information I can make up for in experience... and if she trusts me to be well informed... then I won't just be preaching to her the value of Christianity and nothing else. I'll be teaching her the merits and demerits of numerous religious faiths--and she'll be that much farther ahead of anybody who been dogmatically programmed to believe in just one.

    But only if she so chooses. If not, I'd be content with just instilling a keen curiosity and the desire to learn in her.

    Peace out!

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  16. I think I would be Pope Dubious I.

    Would an atheist day care tell kids there's no Santa or Tooth Fairy?

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  17. Yes, Tristan. If the conversation arises, I will teach about religion from a contextual position. Like these people believe this, these people believe that. I will teach more about how to think about it. But, from a personal point of view, there will be nothing. The kid will be told that it is free to choose what it wants when it is an adult. There is a distinction between pounding the unintelligent rhetoric of one into their brains, and teaching them to understand that there is variability in the spiritual expression of people.

    @ Ginx- Good question. Get this, here, you cannot refer to Christmas as Christmas. A Christmas Tree is not allowed because it gives preference to Chrisitianity. I do not think that they talk about Santa or Tooth Fairy at all.

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  18. Eh, it's a Christmas tree, not a "holiday conifer" or something.

    On the bright side, the holiday for their savior's resurrection is named after a female Norse goddess. That's pretty Viking-tastic.

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