Here's something I wrote in Sept. 2009. I'm re-posting it now because of TVick and Tink's conversation. Also I'd like to know if you'd discourage "little Suzie" from going if she really liked it?
A Small Glitch in the Perfect Atheist Life?
Just imagine it's a beautiful winter morning, nearing Christmas in your lovely Communist community. And as you and your sexy wife (Madalyn Murray O'Hare maybe) are sitting at your kitchen table reading Sagan watching snowflakes gently fall to the ground you realize just how good life is. Hell, there isn't even a Nativity Scene with in a hundred miles of your commune err I mean neighborhood. You and Madalyn are wearing your matching WWMSTD bracelets, (what would mao tse tung do) anyways life just couldn't be better.... but then little Suzie your only daughter and one of your 1.5 kids and the cutest little Atheist in pig tales that you've ever seen, comes in and asks "Mommy, Daddy my friend from school (Karl Marx elementary school) wants to know if I can go to Sunday School with her, can I go please"?
What do you tell little Suzie?
Tuesday, August 31, 2010
Saturday, August 28, 2010
No Gods for yor Tod's.
With all the gains atheism has made, do you guys think atheism is really accepted in society?
Last week I had to take a buddy of mine to court. It was an old matter but he had to see a Judge and yadda, yadda, yadda. But I got to see a bunch of poor saps pleading and begging the Judge to keep them out of Jail/Prison. A couple of these guys actually played the "going to church card". They'd tell the Judge how they were clean and sober and looking for work, and how "I'm also going to Church again".
That got me thinking about how when people would get pulled over by the Cops for speeding or something, they'd tell the officer, "I'm sorry Officer, I was on my way to church and didn't realize I was speeding blah, blah, blah.
Or my favorite, the used car salesman that would tell a prospect; "Oh yeah, this car has had only one owner. And it was a little old lady who just drove it to church on Sundays". (Like knowing a Christian owned it meant it was really taken care of)
Will we ever see the day when a used car salesman tells somebody; "Oh yeah, this car has had only one owner, and it was an Atheist that only drove it to a Star Trek convention once a year. Or someone actually having enough balls to tell the Judge; "Your Honor, I'm clean and sober and doing great. I joined an atheist book club and everything.
When you guys can open a day-care business and the sign out front reads "Atheist owned and operated" and still manage to stay in business, then I think you've finally made it.
Good luck Mr. Phelps. feeno
Last week I had to take a buddy of mine to court. It was an old matter but he had to see a Judge and yadda, yadda, yadda. But I got to see a bunch of poor saps pleading and begging the Judge to keep them out of Jail/Prison. A couple of these guys actually played the "going to church card". They'd tell the Judge how they were clean and sober and looking for work, and how "I'm also going to Church again".
That got me thinking about how when people would get pulled over by the Cops for speeding or something, they'd tell the officer, "I'm sorry Officer, I was on my way to church and didn't realize I was speeding blah, blah, blah.
Or my favorite, the used car salesman that would tell a prospect; "Oh yeah, this car has had only one owner. And it was a little old lady who just drove it to church on Sundays". (Like knowing a Christian owned it meant it was really taken care of)
Will we ever see the day when a used car salesman tells somebody; "Oh yeah, this car has had only one owner, and it was an Atheist that only drove it to a Star Trek convention once a year. Or someone actually having enough balls to tell the Judge; "Your Honor, I'm clean and sober and doing great. I joined an atheist book club and everything.
When you guys can open a day-care business and the sign out front reads "Atheist owned and operated" and still manage to stay in business, then I think you've finally made it.
Good luck Mr. Phelps. feeno
Tuesday, August 24, 2010
The five finger discount boys
Christians look at an Atheist and think to themselves..."Why don't they get it? And how come they don't or wont believe"?
Atheists look at a Christian and think to themselves..."Why don't they get it? And how come they believe or why do they choose to believe"?
Of course I'm just assuming people do this. But what is the difference in either accepting or rejecting Christ?
Here's a story about two guys who were a lot alike. They both were thieves. they both stole so much the spent time in jail. Then they kept on stealing until they got sentenced to death. They were gonna be crucified the same day as Jesus. On the way to the cross they both watched everyone taunting Jesus and spitting on Jesus and the soldiers flogging Jesus and people laughing at and mocking Jesus. On the way to the cross they were both also part of the mocking. One of the thieves even says "You saved the world, if your the Christ save yourself and us too". But then something clicked in this other thieves mind. Once Jesus cries out "Father forgive them, for they don't know what their doing". Because this thief says to the other thief "Look dork, we deserve to die for what we have done, but this guy is totally innocent". Then he says to Jesus "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."
You ex-Christians don't need me to tell you what Jesus' reply was. But here it is anyways. Jesus says to the repentant thief "I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise".
Some day I'll be in paradise too. Along with that thief and a bunch of other rif-raf. I wont be there because I'm better than anyone else, I'll be there because an innocent man died on the cross for me.
Later, feeno
Atheists look at a Christian and think to themselves..."Why don't they get it? And how come they believe or why do they choose to believe"?
Of course I'm just assuming people do this. But what is the difference in either accepting or rejecting Christ?
Here's a story about two guys who were a lot alike. They both were thieves. they both stole so much the spent time in jail. Then they kept on stealing until they got sentenced to death. They were gonna be crucified the same day as Jesus. On the way to the cross they both watched everyone taunting Jesus and spitting on Jesus and the soldiers flogging Jesus and people laughing at and mocking Jesus. On the way to the cross they were both also part of the mocking. One of the thieves even says "You saved the world, if your the Christ save yourself and us too". But then something clicked in this other thieves mind. Once Jesus cries out "Father forgive them, for they don't know what their doing". Because this thief says to the other thief "Look dork, we deserve to die for what we have done, but this guy is totally innocent". Then he says to Jesus "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."
You ex-Christians don't need me to tell you what Jesus' reply was. But here it is anyways. Jesus says to the repentant thief "I assure you, today you will be with me in paradise".
Some day I'll be in paradise too. Along with that thief and a bunch of other rif-raf. I wont be there because I'm better than anyone else, I'll be there because an innocent man died on the cross for me.
Later, feeno
Saturday, August 21, 2010
Go ahead, make my day
I'm sorry I've been neglectful of you all. I was stuck on a real big job with very little help. We were under a time crunch and money was tight. But we finally finished. But I also have neglected a bunch of other stuff? I'm hoping to be totally caught up and back to normal by the end of the week. Although my body wont recover for awhile longer. I'm getting old.
Now, where do I begin? Santa, gay Nazis, trolls or suicide bombers?
Santa Clause, although a great guy did not accurately fulfill 45 prophecies concerning him and his birth. And more importantly no-one is willing to die for their belief in Santa. Neither of those two points proves anything, but follow closely and think for yourself.
GenSkep and others mentioned Muslim suicide bombers and their willingness to die for their cause. So what. Christians, Muslims and Jewish people, at one time or another were all willing to die for their faith. That only proves that some people are willing to die for what they THINK is the truth. But will people die for what they KNOW is a lie? That's the question you need to ask yourself.
I'm not talking about Christian Missionaries or Muslim suicide bombers willing to die for their belief. I'm talking about 11 dudes who were willing to die who all claimed they saw a resurrected Jesus. Would you lie to die?
Let's leave the Bible alone and look at the writings of Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Lucian of Samasota, Mara Bar Serapion, Thallus and of course Josephus. Not only weren't they Christian apologists but many of these guys despised Christianity. They aren't saying they believe this, however they are saying others believed these things. Things like... There was a dude called Christ, who suffered under Pontius Pilate who did miraculous feats And was claimed to have risen from the dead on the 3rd day. That he called himself the Christ, that he was equal with God. He had a group of loyal followers who would meet and sing songs of worship and break bread together. They helped one another out when in need and gave money generously to one another. They live by the teachings and standards set before them by Christ. And that there sins will be forgiven by their faith in Him.
The Gospel message is simple. Christ came, Christ died, and Christ rose again. And even without the Bible we can at least agree that some guy called Christ who thought he was God was walking around the Earth around the time of Pontius Pilate and this guy had a following who at least thought he rose from the dead. 10 of the 11 Apostles were martyred, only John was spared even tho legend has it he was boiled in a vat of oil only to survive.
So you got to ask yourself one question punk, do you feel lucky... well, do ya?
(Try saying that with your eyes squinted and with a raspy whisper)
missed you guys, later, feeno
Now, where do I begin? Santa, gay Nazis, trolls or suicide bombers?
Santa Clause, although a great guy did not accurately fulfill 45 prophecies concerning him and his birth. And more importantly no-one is willing to die for their belief in Santa. Neither of those two points proves anything, but follow closely and think for yourself.
GenSkep and others mentioned Muslim suicide bombers and their willingness to die for their cause. So what. Christians, Muslims and Jewish people, at one time or another were all willing to die for their faith. That only proves that some people are willing to die for what they THINK is the truth. But will people die for what they KNOW is a lie? That's the question you need to ask yourself.
I'm not talking about Christian Missionaries or Muslim suicide bombers willing to die for their belief. I'm talking about 11 dudes who were willing to die who all claimed they saw a resurrected Jesus. Would you lie to die?
Let's leave the Bible alone and look at the writings of Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Lucian of Samasota, Mara Bar Serapion, Thallus and of course Josephus. Not only weren't they Christian apologists but many of these guys despised Christianity. They aren't saying they believe this, however they are saying others believed these things. Things like... There was a dude called Christ, who suffered under Pontius Pilate who did miraculous feats And was claimed to have risen from the dead on the 3rd day. That he called himself the Christ, that he was equal with God. He had a group of loyal followers who would meet and sing songs of worship and break bread together. They helped one another out when in need and gave money generously to one another. They live by the teachings and standards set before them by Christ. And that there sins will be forgiven by their faith in Him.
The Gospel message is simple. Christ came, Christ died, and Christ rose again. And even without the Bible we can at least agree that some guy called Christ who thought he was God was walking around the Earth around the time of Pontius Pilate and this guy had a following who at least thought he rose from the dead. 10 of the 11 Apostles were martyred, only John was spared even tho legend has it he was boiled in a vat of oil only to survive.
So you got to ask yourself one question punk, do you feel lucky... well, do ya?
(Try saying that with your eyes squinted and with a raspy whisper)
missed you guys, later, feeno
Thursday, August 12, 2010
Lazarus is dead, if only you woulda got here sooner
I didn't write our last post to fish for compliments, but I did notice them and want to thank you all very much. Not that I get a lot of compliments but still my all time favorite one is when his "Lordship the Gun Toting Atheist" once told me that he had a dream where I laid a bunch of tile in his house, and then he said it looked real good. I still laugh at that one all the time, I don't why, it's just funny.
But the truth is that I'd rather convert you than for you to like me. There's not much difference between the Christian and Atheist. What separates us is only a little faith. The Christian has faith, and the Atheist just needs a little more. I've actually heard many Atheists claim they wish they could believe in God, but they just don't have enough faith. (?) But that's just the thing about faith, it doesn't require anything, if you want to have it, just have it. That's why it's called faith.
"I go on not knowing
I would not if I might,
I'd rather walk in the dark with God
then walk alone in the light;
I'd rather walk by faith with him
then to walk alone by sight".
Helen Annis Casterline
You guys don't owe me anything, and usually are very gracious and even read Scripture when asked. If you could read just one little chapter in the Bible at your convenience, and let me know what you think? It's Hebrews 11. We call this the "faith" chapter.
People think they need to see it to believe it, but Jesus says "believe and then you will see. (John 11:40)
later, feeno
But the truth is that I'd rather convert you than for you to like me. There's not much difference between the Christian and Atheist. What separates us is only a little faith. The Christian has faith, and the Atheist just needs a little more. I've actually heard many Atheists claim they wish they could believe in God, but they just don't have enough faith. (?) But that's just the thing about faith, it doesn't require anything, if you want to have it, just have it. That's why it's called faith.
"I go on not knowing
I would not if I might,
I'd rather walk in the dark with God
then walk alone in the light;
I'd rather walk by faith with him
then to walk alone by sight".
Helen Annis Casterline
You guys don't owe me anything, and usually are very gracious and even read Scripture when asked. If you could read just one little chapter in the Bible at your convenience, and let me know what you think? It's Hebrews 11. We call this the "faith" chapter.
People think they need to see it to believe it, but Jesus says "believe and then you will see. (John 11:40)
later, feeno
Monday, August 9, 2010
The Celtics suck
Can we live at peace with all men? Here's a quote from my favorite movie "The Outlaw Josey Wales" where Josey (Clint Eastwood) says to Ten Bears "Governments don't live together people live together..." I know it's just a movie but these few words say quite a bit. I think when we meet a stranger we tend to like them for whatever reason? Maybe that reason or reasons are because we don't know if that person is a liberal or a conservative. A Christian, Jew, Muslim or Atheist. Whether they like the Lakers or Celtics.
If an Atheist likes(?) or can at least put up with Believers and live in peace with them, that is a good thing. But for the Christian to put up with others including Atheists that should be imperative. Now most of us have a circle of people we all know and care about. And some of those people are on our list because were related to them or we've just gotten to know them over time, and although they might be different than us and maybe not have the same outlook on life as we do, we still care about them... because they are in "our" circle. But it's not always so easy to care about those people who are way different than we are when they aren't in our circle.
But whether someone is inside or outside our circle it shouldn't matter to the the Believer. Romans 12:18 "If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men". This is probably a little easier with those inside our circle? But sometimes those we are closest to are the ones we are the least peaceable towards because the people we are the closest with can actually "hurt" us the most. But how do those people who hurt us see the Lord in a Believer's life if we can't maintain peace? Hebrews 12:14 "Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.
Even tho I ignore some of your questions and don't always say the kindest things, you all are in my circle. Peace multiplied. feeno
If an Atheist likes(?) or can at least put up with Believers and live in peace with them, that is a good thing. But for the Christian to put up with others including Atheists that should be imperative. Now most of us have a circle of people we all know and care about. And some of those people are on our list because were related to them or we've just gotten to know them over time, and although they might be different than us and maybe not have the same outlook on life as we do, we still care about them... because they are in "our" circle. But it's not always so easy to care about those people who are way different than we are when they aren't in our circle.
But whether someone is inside or outside our circle it shouldn't matter to the the Believer. Romans 12:18 "If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men". This is probably a little easier with those inside our circle? But sometimes those we are closest to are the ones we are the least peaceable towards because the people we are the closest with can actually "hurt" us the most. But how do those people who hurt us see the Lord in a Believer's life if we can't maintain peace? Hebrews 12:14 "Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord.
Even tho I ignore some of your questions and don't always say the kindest things, you all are in my circle. Peace multiplied. feeno
Sunday, August 8, 2010
entropy, free books and the Matrix
It's 6PM Sunday night. I just showed up at church because I thought I had to teach. But I just found out the Youth doesn't have any activities tonight. So this will give me a chance to catch up with you guys.
As I read through our last comments I've decided to offer you guys free stuff instead of trying to answer anything about evolution or the first or second laws of thermodynamics.
My Pastor has written a couple books. The first book is on the 10 commandments and he uses each commandment to show God's love. I think it is titled "Free to Love". The second book is titled "The Portal". It is a cool book written through the eyes of an angel. And the tales of what he sees on things like Satan's rebellion, the tribulation and the rapture etc.
I also have another friend who has written a book. His name is Randy, he is the reason the term "fundy" was invented. But I respect him greatly and after my Brother, Brother-in-law and Pastor, he'd be the next person I'd seek out for questions I have concerning God and Scripture. Anyways his book is more of a testimony about his life and his disorder of OCD. (Obsessive compulsive disorder). But he does have a chapter dedicated to the 2nd law of thermodynamics and how it conflicts with evolution.
I believe Jeff has read the first 2 books mentioned and hopefully he can critique them for us. Just remember Jeff is an Atheist, so he might not give them a thumbs up? But at least I know he'll be honest.
Randy's book covers a lot of ground. It was interesting for me because I could relate to some of the names and places he mentions. It might be interesting to you if you have OCD?
If anyone would like a free copy of any or even all of these books, I'd be glad to mail them to you. Here's my e-mail address if you want to send me your address and book request. feeno@fuse.net.
I have an Idea for a post. I might get to it tonight or after work tomorrow.
Later, feeno
P.S. Did you all read T-Vicks last comment on our last post? Vick... you da man!
As I read through our last comments I've decided to offer you guys free stuff instead of trying to answer anything about evolution or the first or second laws of thermodynamics.
My Pastor has written a couple books. The first book is on the 10 commandments and he uses each commandment to show God's love. I think it is titled "Free to Love". The second book is titled "The Portal". It is a cool book written through the eyes of an angel. And the tales of what he sees on things like Satan's rebellion, the tribulation and the rapture etc.
I also have another friend who has written a book. His name is Randy, he is the reason the term "fundy" was invented. But I respect him greatly and after my Brother, Brother-in-law and Pastor, he'd be the next person I'd seek out for questions I have concerning God and Scripture. Anyways his book is more of a testimony about his life and his disorder of OCD. (Obsessive compulsive disorder). But he does have a chapter dedicated to the 2nd law of thermodynamics and how it conflicts with evolution.
I believe Jeff has read the first 2 books mentioned and hopefully he can critique them for us. Just remember Jeff is an Atheist, so he might not give them a thumbs up? But at least I know he'll be honest.
Randy's book covers a lot of ground. It was interesting for me because I could relate to some of the names and places he mentions. It might be interesting to you if you have OCD?
If anyone would like a free copy of any or even all of these books, I'd be glad to mail them to you. Here's my e-mail address if you want to send me your address and book request. feeno@fuse.net.
I have an Idea for a post. I might get to it tonight or after work tomorrow.
Later, feeno
P.S. Did you all read T-Vicks last comment on our last post? Vick... you da man!
Wednesday, August 4, 2010
The Truth shall set you free
I want you all to know I'm only writing this for you. God certainly doesn't need me to "have His back". I'm not one of those people who think I need to prove God. Someone once said "God is there, and He is not silent". And I agree. And I usually don't like these types of debates. I don't think they get us anywhere? But I feel your deserving of some response from our last thread.
For atheism to be true we all are here by accident. And the complexity and design of the universe is an amazing coincidence. Time and space came from nothing. Matter and energy came from nothing. Even with all the resources readily available, money, laboratories, Universities and supposedly the brightest and geekiest scientists in the world no one has ever produced one single living cell.
If atheism is true then the 2nd law of thermodynamics (everything is winding/breaking down over time) takes a vacation when bad things evolve to good. And we evolved from another life form or species with out the same number of chromosomes? Why don't you worry that your dog may impregnate your neighbors cat or your pet hamster? If it takes millions of years for a small insect to develop a defense system to combat it's stalker, why wasn't it extinct after about 2 weeks on Earth?
No matter what what era we lived in, and no matter what geographic area, and no matter what kind of people were living then, we worshiped some sort of deity. And established a morale code. They felt empathy, shame, compassion, love, hatred and guilt.
We all have a mind like no other species. We can think, create and reason. we have instincts and emotions and the unique ability to communicate. And most of us use that ability to talk with God.
Notice I didn't mention prayer, Jesus, Holy Spirit, the Bible, changed lives, my relationship with the Lord, comfort, peace and the Church. Those things are just for Believers. But when you start with the thought process (presupposition) there is no God, then you must find reasons why "there is no God". And yes, Christians do the same thing. That's why I said "I really don't like these types of debates and they usually go nowhere".
That is also why I said "proof" or "truth" has little to do with peoples conversions or de-conversions. Proof is subjective and can change and we can all find facts to support our arguments.
Besides it all boils down to: what are we gonna do about Jesus?
"cause there is only one truth. I am the Way the Truth and the Life...
Late, feeno
For atheism to be true we all are here by accident. And the complexity and design of the universe is an amazing coincidence. Time and space came from nothing. Matter and energy came from nothing. Even with all the resources readily available, money, laboratories, Universities and supposedly the brightest and geekiest scientists in the world no one has ever produced one single living cell.
If atheism is true then the 2nd law of thermodynamics (everything is winding/breaking down over time) takes a vacation when bad things evolve to good. And we evolved from another life form or species with out the same number of chromosomes? Why don't you worry that your dog may impregnate your neighbors cat or your pet hamster? If it takes millions of years for a small insect to develop a defense system to combat it's stalker, why wasn't it extinct after about 2 weeks on Earth?
No matter what what era we lived in, and no matter what geographic area, and no matter what kind of people were living then, we worshiped some sort of deity. And established a morale code. They felt empathy, shame, compassion, love, hatred and guilt.
We all have a mind like no other species. We can think, create and reason. we have instincts and emotions and the unique ability to communicate. And most of us use that ability to talk with God.
Notice I didn't mention prayer, Jesus, Holy Spirit, the Bible, changed lives, my relationship with the Lord, comfort, peace and the Church. Those things are just for Believers. But when you start with the thought process (presupposition) there is no God, then you must find reasons why "there is no God". And yes, Christians do the same thing. That's why I said "I really don't like these types of debates and they usually go nowhere".
That is also why I said "proof" or "truth" has little to do with peoples conversions or de-conversions. Proof is subjective and can change and we can all find facts to support our arguments.
Besides it all boils down to: what are we gonna do about Jesus?
"cause there is only one truth. I am the Way the Truth and the Life...
Late, feeno
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