Tuesday, October 20, 2009

Today Junior, I aint got all day.

Did the Bible know we'd be around long enough for people to question Christ's return?

2nd Peter chap. 3 speaks about how in the last days scoffers will come a scoffing. They will say, where is this "coming" he has promised? Nothing has changed since the beginning of creation.

But Peter tells us, Ahh, but do not forget this one thing, dear friends, With the Lord a day is like a thousand years..... The Lord is not slow keeping his promise, as some understand slowness.

But if we still think he's taking his dear sweet time Peter gives a possible explanation, he says "He is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Hey Jesus, take all the time you want, I'll just be chillin 'til you come for me.


Dueces, feeno

11 comments:

  1. I have the feeling that some of these scoffers are going to be in for a BIG suprise someday.

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  2. Hey howdy Feeno my freind.

    You know to just simply let me know if i have been withdrawn from and been judged as simply just some scoffer who doesnt honestly just question matters and have many doubts he feels are very valid.Being instead somebody completely mean of heart uncaring without a once of humanity,who needs shunning and maybe burning at the stake when ever legally allowable.

    Yourself feeno being a follower of Jesus who they say died on the cross for the wrongful judgments of others,i try to find comfort in hope and trusting that you wouldnt simply be likely to make rash judgments yourself of others without thinking very very deeply about it first.

    Im sure you know you can delete folks posts on your blogs should they offend you,and i would hope you know a simple "look Gandolf i dont want to hear from you" would see me gone and leave you to your peace as im really not simply out to try to just spoil folks peace.

    Its interesting what you write here,but because i wonder if maybe sometimes you really wish some of us non believers and agnostics etc would simply just shut up stop questioning and simply believe.I saw what you wrote a day or two back,but until now was trying to decide whether to add my thoughts on the matter or not.

    But until ordered to do otherwise i will just post what im thinking.

    Let me try and propose a simple analogy for you to considder,while giving further honest considderation as to whether us heathens simply deserve to be dealt to or burned etc,since nailing folks to crosses is a very painful way to go.

    Ok ..I gandolf along with many other followers of some cult called christianity happen to be quite intelligent and smart, as well as being cool calm and calculative as still are very many followers of faith also known to be the same to this very day.IE:Johnstown ..sexual abusive priests..Great fans of money like the benny Hinns etc?..The church called "the family"...etc etc etc...Sure you know what im talking about!

    Ok we followers who are from a long line of folks who wondered,hey what happens after death?.Have slowly built us up a group of tything friends who thankfully help keep our minerstering ways possible.But trouble is some of our ideas of what salvation in a afterlife maybe needs to include,includes stoning folks to death which folks strangley dont take such a likeing to.Specially after awhile when quite a number of times we have been a bit fast off the mark and happened to have been found to have stoned some innocent folks family wrongfully to death.

    And folks are unhappy and some even start scoffing about it.So something needs to be done to stem the flow of those now leaving the following.

    So along with very many other intelligent and calculative thoughts and ideas,we add a clause within our teachings that also suggests.2peter chap 3 ..in the last days scoffers will come scoffing

    Wella! the tide is turned ...God supposedly told folk to expect these things ...Reverse psychology worked and helped stem the tide .

    Simple thoughts i know it seems...Yet your thoughts of agreeing with other mans thoughts dont seem to me that much more or less simple.

    What say ye Mr feenologist ?

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  3. Just imagine the surprise on the face of JD Curtis ...If there is no god/s but a afterlife of many unhappy people some having been burned at the stake by faithful folk who didnt think enough about matters.And were involved in helping push a belief based also on many untruths.

    Or there happens to be a god/s and it/they are very unhappy that many untruths have been pushed on humans in society for many years by those who were often far to faithful of men and didnt question the thoughts and writings of men as much as they should have done.

    Yes im sure there may very well be some surprises.

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  4. Dam, I had not come here for 7,000 years!

    I am glad I came, because I learned a new word:
    scoffer
    and apparently, it can be used to describe myself on many occasions, so it's better that I know what it means!

    cheers

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  5. Just imagine the surprise on the face of JD Curtis ...If there is no god

    I think my initial reaction would be BFD. Christians live longer, are more content, less likely to divorce, have longer life expectancies and are much less prone to depression/suicide.

    but a afterlife of many unhappy people some having been burned at the stake by faithful folk who didnt think enough about matters.

    Nothing like Reaching Back Through the Centuries to make your point. When you compared all of the people who died in religious wars, the Inquisitions and witches burned at the stake, did it even come within 1/1000th of the number of people slaughtered by atheist regimes?

    Or there happens to be a god/s and it/they are very unhappy that many untruths have been pushed on humans in society for many years by those who were often far to faithful of men and didnt question the thoughts and writings of men as much as they should have done.

    There's nothing wrong with seeking truth. Unfortunately the atheist is starting (usually) from a viewpoint where he has to twist logic/history/translations to fit his worldview and deny truth no matter what the cost.

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  6. Howdy JD Curtis you said...."Christians live longer, are more content, less likely to divorce, have longer life expectancies and are much less prone to depression/suicide"

    Now thats a little interesting JD,do you have links to all the sources of this information and please can we see them also if you do have.I trust its backed up by a number of different studies done on the subject too, as single set of possibly biased stats dont really tell us much.

    "did it even come within 1/1000th of the number of people slaughtered by atheist regimes"

    The old but but Hitler and Stalin didnt have belief in gods slight of hand trick...Which seems tends to quite conveniently always overlook important facts that the very same two were both brought up with and painfully endured religious nastiness and hated it.Yet it seems even also adopted the very same nasty religious type dictorial type bigoted ABSOLUTE attitudes that had already psychologically effected their brains,and shaped them into becoming the nasty unforgiving people they also became who then killed many people.Often christians etc,which seems to also even suggest it very likely they obviously already had (personal distaste) for said folks of faith.

    Yes folks under rule of these dictators killed.

    Well done JD,but this proves what?.That folks forced by relgiously minded absolute type dictators who will all very very likely just simply get shot if they even (dare to question) or try to refuse,will often kill many folks just to try to stay in the land of the living a little longer if possible?.Can you blame them JD?.

    Killing because of the demands of a very live human dictator while having a great fear of even questioning or trying to refuse these demands, considdering the obvious imminent danger that ACTUALLY existed in this life.Not being anything like some willy nilly suggested threat by some suggested god belief in some afterlife.

    This typical grasping for straws of many faithful folks sadly scrambling to find any hopeful two wrongs that might some how be able to be manipulated enough and made to = it was ok we christians killed for faith.It was not for faith,that those under command of a dictatorship killed for,it was quite often a matter of survival. In my opinion it falls well short of

    1,providing any evidence to connect the non belief of average folks of no faith of this world today,with the actions of 2,3,4? religiously minded absolute type psychologically disturbed dictators.

    2,And falls well short of making any decent factual comparability to religious faithful folks who so willingly killed for only simply having just a personal belief in a faith theology of supposed god/s and suggestions of a afterlife.Who were absolutely not in any fear of being killed by a existing live nasty earthly human dictator,should they choose to question or refuse the action to kill.

    Obviously it seems a Christian yourself, please would you like to explain why you honestly feel these two very very different situations can be compared.And should honestly be used to connect a agnostic/atheist non faithful person like myself,to these dictator type killers?

    "There's nothing wrong with seeking truth."

    Which truths do you refer to? ...Or are you one of those that holds fast to the idea that all written within the bible is in fact all absolute factual truths?.

    Questions for JD.

    1,Do or dont you agree that maybe somebody actually seeking the real honest truth might be best to not bank so much on finding many said truths,in situations and places where said truths being offered can sometimes be proved to actually also contain many dubious truths some of which could also maybe even quite possibly be proved to even be actual lies.

    2,Do or do you not agree that maybe looking for said truths in very dubious situations and places with possible deceits,could also possibly be a very dangerous practice that could infact sadly even endanger many folks

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  7. The old but but Hitler and Stalin didnt have belief in gods slight of hand trick

    Hitler was not an atheist but neither was he a Christian. If he believed in anything he was a pagan theist.

    Yet it seems even also adopted the very same nasty religious type dictorial type bigoted ABSOLUTE attitudes that had already psychologically effected their brains,and shaped them into becoming the nasty unforgiving people they also became who then killed many people.

    What Christians are unforgiving?

    it was ok we christians killed for faith.It was not for faith,that those under command of a dictatorship killed for,it was quite often a matter of survival. In my opinion it falls well short of

    I'm not positing that Christians have never wrongly killed innocents. Just that atheists have slaughtered many many more.


    providing any evidence to connect the non belief of average folks of no faith of this world today,with the actions of 2,3,4? religiously minded absolute type psychologically disturbed dictators.

    56% of all atheist leaders have slaughtered a MINIMUM of 20,000 of their own people. If You were to replace the word "atheist" in the previous sentence with the "Lutheran", what would people think about such leaders?

    And falls well short of making any decent factual comparability to religious faithful folks who so willingly killed for only simply having just a personal belief in a faith theology of supposed god/s and suggestions of a afterlife.Who were absolutely not in any fear of being killed by a existing live nasty earthly human dictator,should they choose to question or refuse the action to kill.

    See my third response. The first (and possibly second) crusade might qualify. What other examples could you cite?


    Do or dont you agree that maybe somebody actually seeking the real honest truth might be best to not bank so much on finding many said truths,in situations and places where said truths being offered can sometimes be proved to actually also contain many dubious truths some of which could also maybe even quite possibly be proved to even be actual lies.

    Poorly worded. This makes no sense.

    It depends on the truths offered and the ability of the person to discern truth. If one is prejudiced that can affect their perspective. If one is intellectually lazy (like many atheist/agnostics) they often accept the first explanation that fits their worldview as "truth" and refuse to inquire any further.

    Do or do you not agree that maybe looking for said truths in very dubious situations and places with possible deceits,could also possibly be a very dangerous practice that could infact sadly even endanger many folks

    Such words as "dubious" and "possible deceit" can be subjective. How does this "endanger folks"?

    If you're willing to cut to the chase and provide a specific example, I'd be willing to offer my honest opinion on the matter.

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  8. "What Christians are unforgiving?"

    Most all of them seem pretty unforgiving JD they must be,they seem to think we need to join some faith or something. Because some reason they think it makes them better??

    I cant for the life of me understand why else somebody else should think i need to join something for my selvation,unless they were judging me

    How is judging being forgiving?...How is seeing yourself as better,being so forgiving of others?

    Pretty strange type of forgiving to me.Is it Irish type forgiving or something?...Oh you know i really do forgive ya you know patrick!!,but you know you really do!! need to believe in god :)

    "I'm not positing that Christians have never wrongly killed innocents. Just that atheists have slaughtered many many more. "

    But you base the "the atheists killed" as many bit, as being "all" those under control of "a dictator" right??, who never had much (choice) except to kill or be killed themselves (by dictator) for not carrying out "his" orders.

    Christians killed for a book.They all believed it was a good thing.They didnt need a dictator to order them to do the killing.

    Many who killed when ordered to do so by a dictator,did it only to live themselves! not because they thought it good thing to do.

    So plenty more have killed for their faith ,than ever have for atheism.Their have only been a small number of atheist dictators ....And a number of "those atheist killer dictators" were even screwed in the head already by "religion" .

    IE...Yes a few atheist dictators may have killed 20`000 each or what ever you wish to argue.

    There is only so many of them like say Hitler,Stalin,?,?,?,

    Those few Dictators might have killed more themselves.IE..each had a big total amongst the few dictators.

    But those who willingly killed for god on their (own steam) were plenty more ...Even today many/most/alot soldiers in wars think they doing it for good of god as well.Some will even blow themselves up for him.More have killed quite willingly under their own steam with a belief in god and believing they were doing whats right. They might have only killed as many or less than a (few atheist dictors) did.We are not talking about total amount of people killed here,remember the "total number killed" has little to do with whether people are more likely to kill for some god or not.

    If we are argueing 1 atheist might have a higher total of people he killed or had killed to his name,well then that might be true.

    But that doesnt do anything to prove less people have killed for their faith.

    "If one is intellectually lazy (like many atheist/agnostics) they often accept the first explanation that fits their worldview as "truth" and refuse to inquire any further"

    No worrys there sunshine ..I can promise you one thing real good, this agnostic/atheist Gandolf is not intellectually lazy,and he sure aint excepted any first explanation from "anyone"....By the way being interllectually lazy in my books,is someone who relys to much on someone elses books and thoughts etc.You know some one who always needs a guru or a priest or a belief or someone else ministry or book or someones butt to lick heaps.

    Us non believers tend to be much more like cats we think for ourselves we dont herd quite the same,we not like sheep that tend more to just go with flow if it feels kinda comfy and just hope like hell someone else really knows where we ALL going.

    "If you're willing to cut to the chase and provide a specific example, I'd be willing to offer my honest opinion on the matter."

    Hey great idea JD... I really like it!! ....Cant stand word games much myself either.

    Have you or Feeno seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

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  9. Most all of them seem pretty unforgiving JD they must be,they seem to think we need to join some faith or something.

    I was hoping for a few example and a reply that would amount to something a bit more substantive than "well, everybody knows it". One can always hope.

    I cant for the life of me understand why else somebody else should think i need to join something for my selvation,unless they were judging me

    Newsflash. We are commanded to go out and share our faith. If you don't want to listen we can "just shake the dust off of our sandals and move on in good conscience."

    Christians killed for a book.They all believed it was a good thing.They didnt need a dictator to order them to do the killing.

    source?

    Yes a few atheist dictators may have killed 20`000 each or what ever you wish to argue.

    It's not a few. It's 56% of all of them. If 56% of Catholic leaders murdered that many people, people woould be horrified by them.

    But those who willingly killed for god on their (own steam) were plenty more

    Demonstrably false. You cannot substantiate this claim. Try to.

    If we are argueing 1 atheist might have a higher total of people he killed or had killed to his name,well then that might be true.
    But that doesnt do anything to prove less people have killed for their faith.


    No it doesnt, but that is not what I said. The St Bartholomew's Massacre was probably the worst ever by a Christian king. What others are there? When ou are finished listing the massacres by Christian leaders, I'll then list the atheists.

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  10. It's not a few. It's 56% of all of them. If 56% of Catholic leaders murdered that many people, people woould be horrified by them.

    Oooooh ok! I finally got what you meant with these numbers... it was not here that we discussed that though, I guess you like that idea JD ;)

    Anyway, the problem is that I cannot leave the Atheist group I am in if the leader horrifies me, because I am not in any group...
    and I cannot change my belief system because of that either because I do not share their belief system...
    and I am certainly not going to believe in a random god just to make sure I am different from them on that idea either...

    so, what was the point again?

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  11. I had said:"Most all of them seem pretty unforgiving JD they must be,they seem to think we need to join some faith or something."

    JD said:"I was hoping for a few example and a reply that would amount to something a bit more substantive than "well, everybody knows it". One can always hope."

    "Most of them" i think is plenty enough examples for you to even try to start to answer first JD.Seems you got no real answer already.I dont see why i got to need to be saying "well everyone knows it".What folks know is beside the point,how are faith folks being forgiving if they need to "judge" and "control" me first?

    (If im already forgiven)because supposedly faith folks are forgiving,why the hell?? have i absolutely any need at all ever to join yours or anyone elses faith/group?.For me to first even have need/reason to join yours or someones faith/group.
    That person or you must first be "judgementle" of me.Not forgiving me right?.

    Have it stuck someplace in his/her faithful wee brain, that supposedly im "not forgiven" no good enough until i do join some faith/group or read some other mans book etc.

    Hense faithful folks are unforgiving.Absolutely all are!!.

    ALL are (UNFORGIVING) and think i have some reason to listen to them or join their plurry beliefs or group before i am actually to be "forgiven".

    This only equals (judgement and control).

    Care to try explaining how judgement and control equals forgiveness JD?

    Forgiveness is pardon and when being forgiving we cancel an indebtedness or liability.

    To be even thought to have a libility we must first need to be "judged".

    Faithful folk are JUDGMENTAL and CONTROLLING.

    Oh yeah they might (talk lots and say) they "forgive" you so much or say shit like "we love you though".But its really only if you agree to join their plurry beliefs and stick to how they think you should be.Thats judgment and control.

    JD had said:"If you're willing to cut to the chase and provide a specific example, I'd be willing to offer my honest opinion on the matter."

    I had said:"Hey great idea JD... I really like it!! ....Cant stand word games much myself either."

    And im still waiting for you to get it together JD and just simply "cut to the chase"!! man.Im waiting for a decent answer, istead of just a little bleat! about what i said.

    Explain how being JUDGMENTLE and CONTROLLING is supposed to be forgiving?.

    Oh and im not interested in some old bullshit story about how suppusedly you and your book need to "judge me" to forgive me.Thats just all about "control" and "being judgmentle" and very SUPERIMPOSING.


    And you asking me for a "few example " ?...You already got plenty !! ..Get real, my examples even includes (you JD).

    Your FIRST POST on this thread is JD said:"I have the feeling that some of these scoffers are going to be in for a BIG suprise someday."

    How the f**k is that so forgiving JD?

    It sure only seem plenty judgmentle to me.

    No scoffing ...Just calling you straight out man !!...Not here to beat around the bush and play bloody tiddly winks all week.

    Im looking forward to moving on to the next issues ...In my opinion they happen to tie in also.Im keen to hear how many people the 56% of atheists ammount to in actual numbers.And who all these actual total number of atheists names all were etc.What classed them all as being athiests.

    "What Christians are unforgiving?"

    Was one of the first questions you asked.So lets try sort that one first.Seems a good place to start.Glad you asked.

    How about What christians actually are forgiving?


    You know atleast i find i still can have a little respect for christians like Feeno who will simply answer the question if they can.They dont try trying to just bullshit their way through,by hoping if they simply use enough words they might somehow just get lucky enough and hopefuuly confuse someone.

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